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※ inquisitor cecily trevelyan ([personal profile] closerift) wrote in [community profile] hadriel_logs2019-04-04 09:35 pm

fierce as fire and sweet as fruit (closed)

Who: Cecily, Kate, Alphys, Ignis, Jo, and Lucretia
What: Trying to formulate a plan to get the Door working for good...in some capacity.
Where: Lucretia's house
When: 4/2
Warnings: n/a

Well, what do we do now?

[ The Inquisitor plants a hand on her hip, raising her brows to look expectantly around at the group. ]

I think a start would be to decide whether or not we're trying to destroy the Null, or to...not do that. [ She continues, gaze drifting to Alphys, after which she offers a faint, somehow apologetic smile. ] Does anyone have any thoughts about that particular issue?
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[personal profile] madamdirector 2019-04-06 07:34 am (UTC)(link)
[ There's a moment of silence, Lucretia glancing around at the others as they do likewise. She's at least spoken to most of them by now, and they all have the same overall goal here, but predicting where they'll all stand on this particular issue is different.

Still. Someone's got to start. Lucretia clears her throat, expression serious. ]


I think we can't rule out the option.

They've shown they're willing to kill, haven't they? That they want to kill. Holding ourselves to standards they won't -

[ She stops, shaking her head. ]

I - don't like it any more than anyone else, and of course if there is another alternative, we should certainly pursue it. But if there isn't...

[ She trails off, glancing quickly at Cecily, then the others. ]
sciencelizard: (« [Worry] Oh gosh oh jeez oH JEEZ)

[personal profile] sciencelizard 2019-04-10 04:03 am (UTC)(link)
[Alphys isn't actually sure why she's here. She's happy to be, for sure, because it's a qualified position and she gets to make a difference. On the other hand... she has no idea what she can offer that these talented people can't. At least she can speak up though, even if her voice stutters as it breaks into the conversation.]

I, uhm... I don't want to k-kill them. But they won't talk to us, uhm, normally. Last time I tried, they uh... put me on a death list? Sort of? I guess it wasn't sort of, it uhm, it happened, but.

[She fidgets with her claws scraping quietly at her chest.]

We can't just let an entire race die... right?
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[personal profile] dedikated 2019-04-11 09:34 am (UTC)(link)
Not very open to reason.

( Not that she needs to tell the majority of this group. Maybe Lucretia, but the others have been here long enough to remember the Null's idea of communication. Kate perches on the edge of a chest of drawers, echoes of a conversation with Hope surfacing in her mind.

Pragmatically, there's not a lot of options, unless someone comes up with a creative idea.
)

Hope doesn't want them dead. ( Of course, he also said he doesn't have the kind of nature that wants anyone dead, as has been proven time and time again over Kate's stay in Hadriel. ) But he doesn't think we've got other options.

( Well. There was one... )

Kill them or escape them.

( And they've been doing that for years. Running. Where the hell else can they go? )
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[personal profile] knifecollecting 2019-04-14 01:10 pm (UTC)(link)
[Jo is mostly here to support Kate, but she recognizes a few of the others. She has given the Null problem some thought.

She isn't against wiping them out if there's hope that the robots can be 'converted', but if they remain dedicated to eliminating the gods, Jo will vote for eliminating the Null.]


How do we escape? They always seem to show up again. At this point, I think it's down to which side will end up dead.

I'm voting for the Null.
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[personal profile] sciencelizard 2019-04-14 11:23 pm (UTC)(link)
[She didn't expect people to be necessarily be on her side here- she knows the Null are dangerous and have proven there isn't much they can do to dissuade them straight out. But the only option people have been presenting- absolute destruction, total demise- isn't something she can be a part of. She fidgets in her chair, smiling just a bit at Cecily and bolstered to speak.]

I just-- I know, they're dangerous and not, uhm, n-not good at talking or even like they want to, but... they still exist. There might-- you know, like how when Name started feeling things and felt bad and didn't want to fight anymore. Maybe we can find a way to stop this without, just... k-killing everything. Maybe.
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[personal profile] madamdirector 2019-04-15 05:27 am (UTC)(link)
Parley.

[ Lucretia murmurs the word to herself, but she's frowning as she does it, looking more defeated than hopeful.

She shakes herself off, giving Alphys an encouraging smile. ]


Let's explore our other options, then.

What's happened when we have tried talking to them? Has there been any success at all?
dedikated: (091)

[personal profile] dedikated 2019-04-21 04:50 pm (UTC)(link)
( They're not being left with a lot of options, really, and the remaining ones leave a bitter taste in Kate's mouth. The Null have proven that they don't care what lines are crossed as long as it allows them to continue expanding, but killing an entire race of beings...

It puts her stomach in knots. Is practicality worth that? Worth becoming the kind of person Rage reminded her she could be?
)

Just Name. ( Hm... ) Could try to infect the rest of the Null.

( Don't ask her how they'd do that, though. It took time for Name to become infected, and they don't really... have time for that. )
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[personal profile] madamdirector 2019-04-28 03:48 am (UTC)(link)
[ Lucretia glances at Alphys too, cautiously hopeful. ]

And how long would it take, if it were possible. To...we're talking about infecting an entire race, right? With...with feelings?
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[personal profile] sciencelizard 2019-04-28 06:21 am (UTC)(link)
[She just kind of grimaces as the conversation turns a way she kind of expected (mostly because she's been thinking about it a lot lately) but not a one she has a good answer for.]

Well, I don't know, it's-- t-that kind of implies we know how Name got emotions in the first place?

[Because she doesn't. She like, super doesn't.]

It hasn't been safe to ever really interact with their, uhm, code. I have a lot of experience with their hardware, but the s-software is still, uh, kind of a mystery...

[Alphys sighs, finally looking back up at the group.]

I don't even know if it's what they'd want. I'm pretty sure they made themselves inorganic to make sure they, uh, d-didn't get feelings. But is it worse than... I don't know.
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[personal profile] dedikated 2019-04-28 03:16 pm (UTC)(link)
( Isn't so much of this universe they've found themselves plunged into a mystery? They've survived here for years, perhaps even thrived in a way, but they're still strangers to it, nothing more than toddlers in the greater scheme of things. Kate frowns and runs her fingers across the grain of the wood, again and again, as though the movement will spark some answer to everything they're questioning.

... It doesn't, of course.
)

Think we'd even have the time?

( It was a half-cocked idea in the first place, a slim sliver of a hope that they could somehow sort this all out with one well-placed contagion, but the pressure of everything that happened in the transfer — Delight's death and the effects thereof — makes time feel so much shorter. What time do they really have? )
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[personal profile] madamdirector 2019-05-02 06:49 pm (UTC)(link)
[ Lucretia sets her jaw grimly. ]

As I understand it, Hope is the one who...well, he's the reason death doesn't really stick here.

If something were to happen to him during the battle...

[ She knows what had happened to Delight. Whether the "gods" are really gods or not, they're not unkillable. ]
Edited 2019-05-02 18:49 (UTC)
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[personal profile] sciencelizard 2019-05-04 05:39 am (UTC)(link)
[She nods along with Cecily and Lucretia's responses, still not really having a good answer to Kate's question. She has a gut feeling it's just not going to work, and even if it did, she isn't sure she can be responsible for that. Is that any better, though? If she let it happen and it caused them pain, whether or not she's the one who pulled the trigger?

(Yes, she thinks. Yes. Because it wouldn't be her, and she doesn't like the kind of person that makes her.)]


Well, uh, last time the Null came in, Sorrow uh... died. To s-stop that from happening, actually. They were trying to kill Hope so he couldn't bring anyone else back. No matter what happens, we can't let them kill Hope, or... well, a lot is uhm. Unfixable, I guess.

[But that still doesn't help, really.]

Okay, so... what are the things we want to uhm, investigate? M-Maybe we can make a list and ask Hope?
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[personal profile] dedikated 2019-05-07 11:52 am (UTC)(link)
( Distractions... It's an ugly thought, but a practical one. The kind of thing that has Kate's gaze flicking off to the side. There's no real way out of this that won't involve a compromise, a less than ideal undertaking.

But that's war, isn't it?
)

If it's realistic to infect the Null in the time we have. ( That's what it boils down to, at the end of it all. If such a thing is realistic, feasible for them to manage. If doing so would even allow the virus to pass through the population of Null in time to save the city. ) I can ask Sorrow about The Door.
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[personal profile] madamdirector 2019-05-12 06:51 am (UTC)(link)
I can help with a distraction, if it comes to that. Buy us some time, maybe.

[ What good is all her magic, if she can't do that?

Lucretia glances between the others, expression sober. ]


What else? Is there anything else we need to ask Hope?
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[personal profile] sciencelizard 2019-05-16 03:49 am (UTC)(link)
[She nods along to the descriptions, taking out her phone and opening up a message. Her thumbs fly as she types, dexterous and incredibly quick as her claws tap tap tap across the screen.]

Okay, me, look into Null p-programming. Kate, Sorrow and the Door. Cecily, protecting Hope. Lucretia, we're going to need people uhm, fighting some of the Null anyway, like-- keeping people safe who can't fight while we do whatever we have to. Would that work?

[Alphys is looking up and down from her phone, still note taking.]

We can also investigate the i-inter-dimensional properties of the Door, too? Not that I think it would be safe to just uh, put them somewhere else, because that could just kill them anyway but uh. M-Maybe?? Someone said it earlier. Does that uh, go under Door stuff?
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[personal profile] dedikated 2019-05-19 08:09 pm (UTC)(link)
( That is some impressive key work. Kate can't type nearly that quickly. But impressed observations aside, she needs to think about this. )

Aye. ( She can talk to Sorrow about it, but more importantly— ) Not my area. I'll talk to Newt.

( She's pretty sure he'd enjoy something like this. )
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[personal profile] madamdirector 2019-05-22 06:39 am (UTC)(link)
[ Guess who's definitely picturing a giant newt right now. It's fine. ]

Of course. I can help with defense. And offense, too, if necessary.

...I might also be able to offer some insight on the Door's...interdimensional properties? At least... [ She shrugs, a little helplessly. ] I don't know if that's anything like the interplanar system. But I can take a look.
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[personal profile] sciencelizard 2019-05-24 06:47 pm (UTC)(link)
[Lucretia you won't be the first and you probably won't be the last. Alphys records all of this dutifully in her phone, copying the action item list into individual texts she fires off to everyone there.]

Okay! Cool, uhm, we c-can look into all that, and I think there's stuff to work with here.

[She's hesitant to be hopeful about anything for an oncoming war, especially under the circumstances, but she wants to try. She has to try.]

Is everyone, uh... is that good? For now? At least it's something to work on...