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Who: Rosie, Carlisle
What: Rosie tries to harass Carlisle into friendship again.
Where: Carlisle's place, his garden specifically
When: your guess is as good as mine broseph though sometime after the Null invasion but not like too late just the right amount of time after
Warnings: Possibly some discussion of heavy topics!

There's a lot to take in with their change of scenery. Like many, Rose has been exploring this newfound world. While she doesn't like the arid climate, she finds it a bit fascinating. It reminds her of the deserts of Arizona, of such a foreign-seeming place in the United States. Japan didn't have any natural deserts. Compared to her home country's greenery, it seemed very... beige.

Perhaps that's why it's Carlisle's garden that stands out. Not that she knows it's his or that this is even where he lives. She wasn't trying to find him or anything after their last conversation went sour. In fact, it was actually the opposite. Rose had been steadfastly ignoring him since and letting him have the space he so requested. That was a thing she was trying to do now more than before: respect people's wishes.

"Woah, how are they keeping this place alive? These things should be keeling over by now..." the blond muses as she peers into the place. In normal circumstances, they would be wilting just as Rose feels like doing. But these aren't normal circumstances, aren't they?

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He'll have to get unwound in the same clothes he got upset in because she's not changing. It's not often Rose even shows people this side; it's usually taken as a very big sign of trust. Considering Carlisle didn't attack her outright, she doesn't think she made the wrong decision. She can deal with nervous fear. It's aggressive fear that she has a hard time swallowing. People who act without even giving her a chance, without letting her show them she's not just a demon.

"The Ôkami aren't gods, but they're... up there. Similar to the dragons. They're like a tier below the actual deities, they work directly under them. Ôkami are herald to the Yama no Kami, the mountain deity."

"A- ah. So... lesser deities."

Carlisle continues to try to relate what she's saying to things he knows, things that are familiar, and comfortably so, but all he can think about is his former student turning to him, her eyes no longer her own, body twisted with the onset of full possession—

"Please change back."

His eyes still aren't on Rose, as though keeping her on his periphery would somehow help quell his fear. Usually, he would try to keep an eye on something that so threatened him, but she doesn't seem interested in hurting him or toying with him, as the demons he knows of would tend to do. She is less of a danger to him than his own paranoia, and he knows it, so that's what he fights to curb first.

"Yeah, kind of like that." Rose is hard-pressed to call either of them truly deities but- It's fine. He can think of them how he wants. They're not so picky about labels. Well. The dragons, maybe, but they're a bunch of conceited assholes Rose doesn't about.

He says please. She almost doesn't. But while they might have their disagreements, she's not malicious. Or at least she doesn't try to be. With a sigh, the woman focuses. It takes a little longer than the change back because the spell requires concentration to maintain and dropping it is the opposite. It's a lot harder to think about something intensely than to not, so. After a moment though, she's back to the blond woman that most of the residents of Hadriel are familiar with.

"I'm not like them," she says. "Not the ones that were here." Not anymore. She refuses to be.

Throughout Rose's shift, and even for several moments afterward, Carlisle keeps his eyes lodged on the floor, as though the hole he's digging there with his gaze would protect him from his own trepidation. When it doesn't work, he goes for words instead, his usual distraction.

"It's not you," he utters as a reassurance to them both. "I know it isn't, but- but I had someone killed by one of them, and—"

And he hasn't really gotten over it.

Rose can fill in the same blank, honestly. While she hadn't lost anyone to the demons then, she remembers how ugly. How bloody and awful their infestation was. Her own kind liked to tear the flesh from people's bones and she has too so she understands just how horrible demons can be. Whether they be the kind that plagued Hadriel or her own kind. She knows his fear isn't founded in something irrational.

"It's not fine, but. I get it. We all got shit that we're afraid of, even if it might be... Well, not unfounded. I mean, we usually fear the worst things that have already happened to us repeating so. Your fear is demons. Mine? Water." That might seem anticlimatic, so she clarifies: "Well, drowning. But I mentally flip out if I get too close to a body of water I can possibly drown in. So I'm not having a good time with these pools and I know it's not exactly the same, but."

There's something in what Rose says -- her fear in particular, upon clarification -- that draws Carlisle's attention. His eyes flick to her, and while they are still laced with fear, there is also quiet bewilderment, then sympathy.

"Oh." She looks human enough, is a demon beneath the skin, but despite all that, she has... such simple fear, one he's faced many times himself. Most of those occasions were when he stood at the edge of the Cottonmouth so long ago in Bear Den, wondering if the riverbed held solace that the world could no longer provide. His family was gone, his lineage broken, his reputation as tattered as the remnants of his soul. What reason was there to look elsewhere?

He'd kept finding reasons, and still does. Perhaps she does, as well -- maybe they have more in common than he initially believed.

"I fear many things," he admits quietly. "Demons, yes. Drowning as well. The dark and deep shadows and what whispers lie there. Bears. The end of all things and what lies beyond it, but—"

He pauses for just a moment, his hands wringing together. His greatest fear is up for debate, as is whether or not he should divulge such things to near strangers, but it does seem right to do so. She did oblige his request. "But loss is, perhaps, the worst of them."

"Bears, huh? It's spiders for me. Creep me right the hell out every time." Larger ones actually paralyze her in fear, especially if they're poisonous. Just like drowning, that one was born of... personal experience.

And he's right. She does. For a time, she didn't. Hiruma was the one to pull her out of the depths of her own despair in Haven. Realizing she was nothing but a catalyst for the destruction of other people's lives was too much to bear in that world.

In this one, it was Rey who talked some sense into her. The weight of having loved again only to lose and know that she'd just keep losing that almost sent her over the edge of a building again and again. Until Hope lost interest in reviving her. It's still heavy in her heart but she's trying to find ways to carry it forward with her.

"I get that. I lost... pretty much everything I thought I could in Haven. But in the words of Passenger," she starts, taking a breath. "When he woke up with nothing he said I'll tell you something: When you've got nothing, you've got nothing to lose."

Carlisle's eyes fall again as he ponders Rose's words. Having lost everything is exactly how he has described his experiences a few times himself: he lost his father and his uncles years ago, his church and home when taken from Bear Den, and what life he'd made on the Tranquility when pulled through Hadriel's Door. From his time in the city, he has lost friends, both had them vanish and watched them die. He has gained much as well, but what good he has in his life only seems to fuel his fears.

And even if he loses everything, does he not have more to lose eventually? That is the fate of all twice-cursed, their afflictions wearing them away until there is nothing left. Knowing the nature of his curse has dinner him no favors when it comes to his paranoia.

However, he can't deny the advice Rose offers does resonate within him, in a way. "Is this Passenger a god of some sort, as well?"

She doesn't mean to snort out a laugh at that question. In fact, she tries especially hard not to. Rose forgets, sometimes, just how different their worlds are. Passenger is supposed to sound like some lofty name, she's sure, but in reality, "Ah, no, they're. Uhm. They're a band, back home. Just a group of people that play music.

But that's, uh. That's one of the reasons I love music so much, I guess. You can find some lyrics that really resonate with you. I got quite a few songs that mean a lot to me."

Carlisle makes a noise that's somewhere between oh and hm as he tries to hide his embarrassment over asking if a band was a god. He's familiar with the concept, even if he's not terribly warm on most music himself. In general, he finds it to just be too much of a distraction when he's trying to think -- which, if he actually did think about it, he would probably benefit from, given the usual cacophony of apprehension going on in his head at all times. At least he doesn't drown it out with alcohol anymore, though he does miss that method from time to time. Alas.

Still, he is not the sort to completely turn away such wisdom, even if it comes from a bard rather than a deity. "It is in the unexpected that we often find clarity," he notes. "I hope you have found other sources of comfort, given music is not common in a place like this."

Since Rose has only seen Carlisle flustered in the angry sorts of ways, it's... kind of nice to view this side of him. For a while, she wondered if it even existed. The woman herself hates to be vulnerable, so- She understands, perhaps, his hesitance to display it. Still, it makes him much more approachable than he ever was before.

"You're telling me," she says, thinking fondly for not the first nor the last time of Hiruma. He was the last person she ever expected to help her find her will to live again in Haven, yet... His help was invaluable, really. "I have my guitar here, which helps. Otherwise, I'm mostly in the orchard. That gives me something to focus on that I enjoy."

"My plants offer me respite from the world around us, as well."

Which is probably why he's there more often than not, and never to be found in Sorrow's orchard. One glance around his garden is enough to see it's fairly different from the orchard -- aside from the glyphs being used to keep everything watered, the plants themselves aren't the same type at all, each carefully labeled and arranged, with some vines crawling and coiling along constructed eaves and arches in the various rows. He's spent a lot of time here -- perhaps he feels he needs a lot of the aforementioned respite.

"I won't take it for granted again, honestly." How lifeless Haven had been was... soul-crushing, to put it lightly. They had a garden but it was full of savage creatures and overgrowth. Then, Jesse and Hiruma had burned it to the ground in some kind of protest of the Yao Corporation. All that had actually happened was them incurring the wrath of a goddess though.

She misses those idiots. She misses... the good parts of Haven, the friendships she made. It makes her heart ache to think about them all for too long. Time has dulled it but it'll never really go away.

"And I got music. Might pick up another hobby soon, too, just to try and keep me busy. Maybe bartending at the Speakeasy. Always wanted to try it."

Carlisle perks up just a bit at the mention of the Speakeasy. It's been some time since he went in there -- mostly because of his struggles with alcohol -- but he's fine with sending others there, especially since he associates the establishment with one person in particular.

"Ah. You could ask Miss Rey for help with that endeavor."

He hit the nail on the head there.

"That's... kind of what I was thinking, yeah." There's an implication under the surface of those words. It's not anything Rose is going to be so forthright about, but- It'll be clear if Carlisle ever sees them interact that Rose cares. That she wants to make sure Rey is okay, if nothing else.

"I see." Carlisle misses the implication, though whether it's because of his exhaustion from hacking up ink, or that he's just not that skilled in dealing with interpersonal relationships, isn't entirely clear.

Still, he clearly does have some kind of genuine respect -- perhaps even subdued, not fully understood adoration -- for Rey, as he brings her up again. "Are you two friends?"

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To be fair, for Rose it's often the latter. She doesn't pretend to understand relationships between people very well. This is despite the fact that she does her best to look and act like a person.

"I don't know," Rose admits. Because she actually doesn't. She might say they are, but, "It's complicated, I guess. We didn't get along at first, like. At all. But then she was there for me when I needed it and I tried to do the same for her and... it's just kind of gone from there."

"Ah." There's something in what Rosie says that brings the slightest of smiles to Carlisle's face. "I have insisted before that she is often kinder than she realizes. We didn't particularly get along at first, either."

And his smile fades just a bit, his brow knotting. "Well, sort of. But that was in another time, and in another world." And then things got awful, and rightfully so because he let loose his compulsion upon her family, and then he was spirited to another world and given a second chance to make things right... even if she didn't remember him, why he would be doing that, or even her former family.

His eyes return to Rosie, his smile still there, but tinged with defeat. "It's complicated."

"I don't know, dude," Rose says. "She stabbed me with the intent to kill the first time we really crossed paths, and now-" Rose might like her, a little? She's not sure what that says about her as a person, honestly. That strong women are attractive, maybe? Either way, the woman's not about to admit any budding feelings just yet. Not knowing what she does about Rey's own last romantic involvement and Rose's own not going spectacularly well either.

"We're friends? Maybe? So I definitely get 'complicated' as a definition of our relationship."

If Carlisle's increasingly obvious discomfort is any indication, his nose wrinkling and lips drawing into a wide frown, he's not entirely sure what to think of Rose's explanation. He understands getting off on the wrong foot with someone, but something as serious as attempted murder seems a little extreme by all counts—

"I see," he finally says in response, his confusion still evident as he is inwardly thankful he and Glacius have never been at each other's throats -- not without outside influences, at least. "W- well, perhaps you two will get along swimmingly from now on, and she will look favorably upon you wanting to help her at her establishment."

It beats being stabbed.

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Rey wanted to kill Rose and Rose had wanted to die. It was perhaps the most disasterous way the two could have met; yet, out of all that chaos came... feelings that continue to surprise even her. Rose isn't sure what to make out of it. She remembers being told once that people who make you experience the widest range of emotions are the ones you end up caring about the most.

She has to wonder if that isn't true in Rey's case.

"I mean, I kind of doubt it'll be perfectly fine smooth sailing. We're... pretty different, in a lot of ways. But that's also what makes it kind of interesting, I think. I hope she thinks so too and that us maybe working together won't make her want to murder me again at least."

Which is said for more casually than she really has any right to.

"I would hope so," Carlisle notes, though frankly, people being pushed to one another's throats isn't all that unusual in Hadriel, it seems. The gods have influenced them to fight one another more than once since his arrival, and though he's been blessedly spared from it each time, he's never sure when their compulsions will finally reach him. Given his particular abilities, that is a terrifying thought. What can one do against a man who can harm them without having to raise even a hand? Who can make them turn their violence upon themselves by robbing them of their free will?

He shudders at the thought, trying to put his focus elsewhere. "Though d- different isn't always bad. I am fairly different from the one with whom I get along best, though we- we have found we have more commonalities than initially believed."

It wasn't even Rage's influence that started the fight between the two women. It was Love's. Well, it was from before Love was around. Yet, Rose's own excitement and offering to the god had struck a wrong chord with Rey. She'd also been in a bad place herself and, well. She doesn't really want to dwell on it anymore.

Especially not considering Rey has killed her, too. That was different though. That was...necessary.

"Yeah, that makes sense. The more time you spend around each other, I think the more things in common you'll find? But being different is still good, gives you both breathing room."

Carlisle nods. Finding things in common as they spent time together -- that is indeed how it worked for himself and Glacius, though it seems to have done the opposite regarding himself and others.

That is a topic for another time, though. The thought of his partner draws his attention toward other tasks, and his eyes toward the window. "I don't mean to ruin our conversation, but I suppose I should try to get home and make myself presentable before the day is done. I... do appreciate you sitting with me. Taking my mind off things."

"That's probably not a bad idea, so. No worries, I get it." Alphys doesn't probably often wonder where Rose is but she also tries not to worry the lizard if she can help it.

"And anytime, dude. It's been pretty cool, talking to ya'." Which she hadn't imagined it would be after their cut short phone conversation. The blond is glad to know that things between them seem to be... better than then, if nothing else. "Sorry I couldn't help more."

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